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| After finding this wikipedia article, I'm glad I didn't tried to understand the movie Primer by myself. I thought there were max 4 different timelines, and I was trying to understand it with the idea that If you travel to the past and kill your double then you also die. This movie doesn't follow that idea and because that it turns in to a very complex story with some permanent duplicates. If you didn't see the movie yet, you may or may not this, if you read it (and understand it) you will then undertand a little bit the movie, but I'm sure you will have to rewatch it again and again anyway... but I recomend you to don't read it before watching the movie for first time... Here is the solution for the puzzle (copypasted from wikipedia): * WARNING!! THIS TEXT MAY DAMAGE YOUR BRAIN ;)* . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Timeline orderDifferent timelines represent the events as experienced from the point of view of Aaron, Abe, and their respective doubles. The parenthetical numbers after the names of characters and boxes indicate the iteration of that character or object. This is possible because the design of the boxes is modular; that is, they can be collapsed and taken back in time in another box. Note that although there are at least six unique Aarons and at least five unique Abes, there are only three permanent Aarons and two permanent Abes at the end of the film. The original Aaron and the original Abe remain in the suburbs. Abe (5) stays to prevent the originals from creating more boxes. Aaron (2) goes to France and Aaron (6) goes to some unknown location. The permanent doubles were created by the use of the failsafe machines.Timeline 1
At 8:30 a.m. on Sunday morning Abe (0) starts a 30-minute timer on the Failsafe box (0) and leaves the storage facility. At 9:00 a.m. the Failsafe box (0) starts. At 8:45 a.m. on Monday morning Abe (0) starts a 15-minute timer on the first box (0) and drives to the hotel. At 3:00 p.m. in the afternoon he drives back to the storage facility and enters the first box (0), creating timeline 2.Timeline 2
Abe (1) exits from the first box (0) at 9:00 a.m. on Monday morning. At 10:00 a.m. that same morning Abe (1) talks to Aaron (0) about the boxes in the park. At 3:00 p.m. that afternoon, Abe (1) shows Aaron (0) Abe (0) entering the storage facility. Abe (0) subsequently enters the first box (0), causing him to leave the timeline. That night, Aaron (0) builds the second box (0). At 8:45 a.m. Tuesday morning Abe (1) and Aaron (0) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes and drive to the hotel using Abe's car. At 9:00 a.m. both boxes (0) start. Abe (1) and Aaron (0) review the stocks they plan to buy on the way to the hotel. At 3:00 p.m. Abe (1)Timeline 3
Tuesday morning at 8:45 a.m. Abe (1) and Aaron (0) start a 15-minute timer on the first (0) and second (0) boxes and drive to the hotel in Abe's car. At 9:00 a.m. the boxes (0) start and Abe (2) and Aaron (1) exit from them. Abe (2) and Aaron (1) go to Aaron's house to trade the stocks they researched in timeline 2. At 3:00 p.m. that afternoon Abe (2) and Aaron (1) go back to the storage facility and watch Abe (1) and Aaron (0) enter the building and the boxes (0). Sometime on Wednesday Aaron (1) discovers that Abe has rented two rooms at the storage facility, discovering the failsafe box (0) and guessing its purpose (for Abe to have a reset button should something go wrong). This discovery is narrated by Aaron (2) in a flashback during a phone call. Later that day Aaron (1) enters the failsafe box (0) taking both boxes (0) with him, creating timeline 4. This is the canonical version. Some fans believe that Aaron does not enter the failsafe until after Rachel gets shot.Timeline 4
Timeline 4, possibly second to timeline 9, is the most complicated timeline in the film, with most of the key events only revealed in flashbacks in the last 20 minutes of the film. At 9:00 a.m. on Sunday morning failsafe (0) starts (the timer having been set by Abe (0)) and Aaron (2) exits from the machine with the first (1) and second (1) boxes. Aaron (2) rents a new room and puts failsafe (0) in it (because he is inside the box). At 10:00 a.m. Aaron (2) puts the first box (1) in another room and starts a 1-hour timer, creating—in effect—a new failsafe box for Aaron (2). Aaron (2) also puts the second box (1) in the original failsafe room and sets a 2-hour timer (this box is a decoy, which Aaron (2) intends Abe to think is failsafe (0)). Aaron (2) sets this timer for 1 hour longer than his own so that—if the failsafes are used—he will awake 1 hour earlier and thus have the upper hand. At 11:00 a.m. the first box (1) starts. At noon the second (1) box (which Abe believes to be failsafe (0)) starts. At 5:00 a.m. on Monday Aaron (2) goes to his house and injects drugs into Aaron (0)'s breakfast. At 6:00 a.m. Aaron (0) is rendered unconscious by the breakfast and hidden in the attic by Aaron (2). Aaron (2) pretends to be Aaron (0) that day, recording the conversations. The drugging is only observed in a flashback. At 8:45 a.m. that same morning Abe (0) starts a 15-minute timer on the first (0) box and drives to the hotel in his car. At 9:00 a.m. Abe (1) exits from the first box (0). At 10:00 a.m. Abe (1) talks to Aaron (2) about the boxes in the park, and Aaron records the conversation pretending to be listening to basketball. This is only seen in a flashback. At 3:00 p.m. Abe (1) shows Aaron (2) Abe (0) entering the storage facility and subsequently the first box (0), exiting the timeline. Aaron (2) records this conversation. This is seen as a semi-flashback after the park scene. That night Aaron (2) builds the second box (0) just as in timeline 2. At 8:45 a.m. on Tuesday morning Abe (1) and Aaron (2) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes and go to the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. the boxes start and Abe (1) and Aaron (2) decide which stocks to buy. At 3:00 p.m. that afternoon Abe (1) and Aaron (2) go back to the storage facility, enter the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively, creating timeline 5.Timeline 5
On Tuesday morning at 8:45 a.m. Abe (1) and Aaron (2) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively and leave for the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. the first (0) and second (0) boxes start and Abe (2) and Aaron (3) exit and go to Aaron's house to trade stocks. At 3:00 p.m. that afternoon Abe (1) and Aaron (2) go back to the storage facility and enter the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively. Abe (2) and Aaron (3) watch them in binoculars. At 5:00 p.m. that afternoon Aaron's wife complains to Abe (2) and Aaron (3) about rats in the attic. The rats are actually a drugged Aaron (0). At 9:00 p.m. that night Aaron (3) goes to the party only to see Rachel's ex-boyfriend threaten her with a shotgun. Aaron (3) disarms him, but worries that he will threaten her in the future. All the while he was recording conversations at the party. At 8:45 a.m. on Wednesday morning Abe (2) and Aaron (3) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes and leave for the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. both boxes start. At 3:00 p.m. that afternoon Abe (2) and Aaron (3) go back to the storage facility and enter the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively, creating timeline 6.Timeline 6
At 8:45 a.m. Wednesday morning Abe (2) and Aaron (3) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes and leave for the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. the first (0) and second (0) boxes start and Abe (3) and Aaron (4) exit. Aaron (4) is seen with an earbleed because he has traveled much more than Abe. The two commence stock trading nevertheless. At 3:00 p.m. Abe (2) and Aaron (3) go back to the storage facility and enter the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively. At 5:00 p.m. that afternoon Abe (3) hears about Aaron's heroics at the party and is upset. At 8:45 a.m. on Thursday morning Abe (3) and Aaron (4) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively and leave for the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. both boxes start. At 2:00 p.m. that afternoon Aaron (4)'s cell phone rings again and he answers but it is not immediately revealed who he talks to. At 3:00 p.m. Abe (3) and Aaron (4) go back to the storage facility and enter the first (0) and second (0) boxes respectively, creating timeline 7.Timeline 7
At 8:45 a.m. on Thursday morning Abe (3) and Aaron (4) start 15-minute timers on the first (0) and second (0) machines respectively and leave for the hotel. At 9:00 a.m. the boxes activate and Abe (4) and Aaron (5) exit and watch Abe (3) and Aaron (4) leave the facility. Aaron (5) watches television and Abe (4) eats muffins as they casually trade stocks that day. At 2:00 p.m. Aaron (5) gets a phone call which he had received in the hotel in timeline 6. The way that Aaron and Abe explain that cell phones work in the movie means that his double at the hotel does not get the call in timeline 6. At 4:45 p.m. that afternoon Abe (3) starts a 15-minute timer on the first (0) and second (0) boxes, to experiment with paradoxes, and leaves the facility. At 5:00 p.m. the boxes start. At 10:00 p.m. that night Mr. Granger (0) finds and enters one of those boxes creating timeline 8.Timeline 8
At 4:45 p.m. Thursday afternoon Abe (3) starts a fifteen-minute timer on the first (0) and second boxes and leaves the facility as in timeline 7. The boxes activate at 5:00 p.m. that afternoon in the same way as well. At 6:30 p.m. Mr. Granger (1) exits whichever box he entered in timeline 7 too early causing him to enter a coma later. At 11:00 p.m. that night Abe (4) is awakened by vandal teenagers. Abe (4) and Aaron (5) leave but discover Mr. Granger (1) and ascertain that he must have found and used the boxes. Abe (4) calls Mr. Granger (0) proving that a double has been created. Abe (4) and Aaron (1) chase down Mr. Granger (1) who collapses as a result of exiting the box too early. Abe (4) decides at that moment (while Mr. Granger is passed out in the other room) to use his failsafe box. He believes the box to be failsafe (0) but it is in fact the second box (1) which Aaron (2) replaced in timeline 4. Abe (4)'s using of the second box (1) creates timeline 9. Aaron (5) realizes that Abe intends to use the failsafe and uses his failsafe—the first box (1) which he planted in timeline 4, also entering timeline 9.Timeline 9
At 11:00 a.m. Sunday morning the first box (1) starts and Aaron (6) exits (the box had been started by Aaron (2) in timeline 4). At noon the second box (1) starts and Abe (5) exits oblivious to the fact that Aaron (6) has also returned. At 4:30 a.m. Monday morning Abe (5) locks Abe (0) in a closet of Aaron's house with a look of grief on his face. Aaron (6) starts a fight with Aaron (2) (who has just finished locking Aaron (0) in the attic) but Aaron (6) is exhausted from the exceedingly long trip and loses to Aaron (2). However, Aaron (6) convinces Aaron (2) to leave because he has already recorded the conversations which Aaron (2) had intended to record that day. Aaron (2)—the narrator—calls Aaron (0) and informs him of what has just happened. At 10:00 a.m. that same morning Abe (5) goes to retry the park scene. However, Abe (5) meets Aaron (6) who sticks to the script he has recorded despite the slight changes in Abe (5)'s behavior. Abe (5) collapses. Sometime on Tuesday Aaron (6) convinces Will to invite Rachel's ex-boyfriend to the party using the recorded conversation. Abe (5) and Aaron (6) go to the party, unloading the ex-boyfriend's shotgun on the way, and Aaron (6) executes the plan better this time sending the ex-boyfriend to jail. Aaron (2)—the narrator—is unsure if this actually worked the first time, leaving open the possibility that the party was replayed many times by the two of them. Sometime on Wednesday Aaron (0) and Abe (0) awake; Abe (5) and Aaron (6) are at the airport. Aaron (6) leaves, but Abe (5) stays behind to prevent Aaron (0) and Abe (0) from building another box, and thus causing another paradox. The film ends with Aaron (2) supervising the construction of a building-sized box somewhere where people speak French.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . If you still don't get all the plot, someone did a graphic for you.
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| posted by ricardo cabello at 16:34 |
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